In Episode 26 of “Terms of Engagement,” hosts Archon Fung and Stephen Richer discuss a provocative article by Jonathan Rauch titled “Yes, It’s Fascism.” They introduce significant current events affecting democracy, including Trump’s controversial statements about nationalizing elections and recent FBI activities in Georgia. Fung and Richer emphasize the importance of engaging with audience commentary throughout their conversation.
Rauch, a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution, reflects on why he once resisted labeling the Trump administration as fascist and how recent developments shifted his view. His article argues that fascism possesses unique characteristics not found in mere authoritarian regimes, including a radical ideological agenda and violent nationalism. He details the alarming rise of paramilitary tactics used by the state and authoritarian rhetoric permeating political discourse.
Fung and Richer acknowledge the controversy surrounding the term “fascism,” discussing how it evokes historical connotations of extreme brutality. They explore the implications of labeling the current U.S. administration as fascist versus authoritarian, with Rauch suggesting that bewildering events and tactics warrant a re-evaluation of conventional understandings of governance in America.
The discussion dives into complexities of dual states, referring to how certain marginalized populations have long been subject to such dynamics under American governance. The hosts agree that peaceful public protest serves as a crucial means for citizens to express their resistance against autocratic behaviors.
Throughout the podcast, the necessity of naming the current state of affairs for effective political discourse and activism is emphasized, with Rauch encouraging engagement to uphold democratic principles. In closing, the hosts suggest resources for further reading and express gratitude for audience participation, highlighting the ongoing challenges to democratic integrity in contemporary America.

